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  1. I like how no one points out that Joker is saying word for word how Under the Red Hood was retconned because at the end of the movie Joker was already aware of who The Red Hood was, why would he be surprised about him taking his helmet? Jason never killed Black Mask. Hell the only reason he became the Red Hood was because he wanted to prove that crime could never be truly eliminated, just controlled and ran like any other business.

  2. As a famous marvel anti-hero once said, "Sometimes, doing the right thing is messy, fucked up, and not particularly CONVENIENT!"

    Jason did a lot of fucked up things to criminals, but it's the reality of cleaning up the mess in Gotham. Could he have used less gruesome and abrasive methods? Sure. But as he also said in "Under the Red Hood":

    "You wanna make them feel fear, but what do you do with the ones who aren't afraid?"

    Sometimes, the lethal approach is the only approach to stop a problem like the Joker. Or Bane. Or Poison Ivy. They cannot, and will stop causing pain and misery, until they are put down for good, or if, by some miracle, are convinced to change their ways.

  3. the joker needs to die all the people joker has killed is because of batman batman has killed more people by lockingvjoker up and having him escape and kill again than the poeple hes saved batman should die also hes a waste of space and guys who should be the heros for killing and getting rid of trash and murderes should be the real hero

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