Trevor Noah Podcast says Asexual males are the “most dangerous people in the world”

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1. This guy is literally some cartoon archetype, isn't he? College dropout who was part of a frat thinks sex, booze and money while trampling on women's consent are what the goal of society should be. How are we in the real world when guys like this are "thoughtleaders".

2. To say asexual men are the most dangerous men is ridicoulous – if anything, it is rather non-asexual incels that has proved to be dangerous.

3. Whenever they say men and women have different brains, they’re conflating causation with correlation. The difference in brains isn’t caused by differences in sex. The agreed upon consensus right now is that the more your brain uses certain neural pathways the stronger they are and the less you use them, they tend to atrophy. Boys and girls are socialized by society differently and thus certain neurological pathways are developed and strengthened differently.

   If my “female brain” were to be analyzed, I wouldn’t be surprised if they found I had a more “masculine brain” because I grew up the youngest of 3 kids: an older brother who only lived with us for 4 years and moved out when I was 3 and a feminine older sister. My dad didn’t really get to do the father/son stuff with my brother as much because when my brother was little, he was a teenager trying to go through college and working to provide for his girlfriend and son and my older sister wasn’t interested in traditionally masculine things, so when I showed an early preference for sports and “boys toys” my dad socialized me in a similar way to how people socialize boys. I still experienced a lot of the societal socializations for little girls from a lot of people, but i was so frequently mistaken for a little boy, i know i was often treated differently than a lot of little girls and had internalized a lot of toxic behaviors, especially suppressing any negative emotion other than anger.

4. How intresting that I as an asexual man am incredibly dangerous towards the world, because I'm simply not wanting to engage in sex. It's stunning how that makes me a threat in some degree.

5. What is going ON with Trevor Noah? I thought he was cool and liberal and really aware of marginalization…….I'm so disappointed……sigh.

6. Dude sounds like a grade A creep. Also, I don't think he said it, but I definitely heard it, was that the way to keep having s*x is to tie the woman to you with a kid. I bet he's against divorces, too.

7. First time listener. This was great. The first time Galloway appeared on my radar was when he was laying down some common sense to some never trumper talk show hosts about how we were now effectively an oligarchy (where only those who financially supported the mob boss were favored), and the hosts weren't ready to hear it. Started listening to him and eventually caught him on Kara Swisher's show. In one episode he talked about how he was going to a party that night, was going to take some drugs and hopefully hook up. He didn't sound joyful about it, he sounded bitter, and kind of pathetic. He strikes me as still a little boy inside who just wasn't raised right, but who possibly could have been reached earlier in his life. Now, he's too (financially) successful to stop believing his own garbage. He's an incel who doesn't understand why he is one, but you covered it really well here – he views women as "mating partners" first, and people second. There are so many streamers who echo similar talking points. I wish I could tell them all, "dude, you're like ten degrees off the mark – you're so close," because at least he appears to have empathy.

8. I’m so confused by his words. It seems like the argument is that sexually frustrated men are the most dangerous group. I kinda can agree with that (tho I’d argue religious zealots are the actually most dangerous group). But if he knows the difference between incel and asexual, then why does he lump asexuals into that same group? All his prescriptions for fixing society involve providing more opportunities for accessing sex so as to calm those men down. But asexuals are usually already perfectly satisfied with the amount of sex they are having (be it none, or some). As a graysexual, I’m often frustrated by the lack of partners to do arts and crafts with. If I suggested society would be improved by increasing the opportunities for people to find crafting partners, he would be confused by this, as lack of crafting partners isn’t a concern for him and it wouldn’t do anything to increase his happiness. So why would he assume giving asexuals more of what they already don’t want more of would do anything at all? Personally, I think the simplest explanation is that he truly does not know what asexuality is and is using it as a word to mean incel-light, involuntarily celibate people who would just not want to be associated with incels.

9. My dad is asexual/aromantic, he's an asshole only because he's a narcissistic asshole, and not because he's ace, lol (he only recently came out in his 80s, but it was obvious to me most of my life that he was because he's a good-looking man and I'd see women hit on him all the time and he never noticed at all, nor did I ever catch him looking at anyone, female or male, and him and my mom only did the deed to try to get pregnant because my mom wanted kids, my dad didn't really care at all), but he still had 5 kids, can't say all of us are productive members of society, lol, but he "did his duty", and he was/is still an asshole, lol. What I mean to say is, being ace isn't the reason some people are dangerous or assholes, sometimes they just are independent of it, lol

10. The ones, like Trevor, perpetuating this crap are the ones who do not know the meaning nor acknowledge consent. They refuse to take no as an answer. To anything.

11. So, now asexual men are an endangerment to society, because we're not interested in having sex? That somehow makes us dangerous? GTFOH with that!

    Honestly, they just hate asexual people. They hate how we challenge the idea that everyone is supposed to want sex and never turn it down.

    Society's negative stereotypes of men being nothing more than sex-addicted Lotharios has painted a disgusting picture of masculinity, in my opinion. It's utterly ridiculous. I'm just living my life as an asexual guy. Never once did I think I'd be a dangerous threat because of it. It really shows how fragile their worldview is that I threaten it by merely existing.

12. This podcast is returning my sanity. I've listened to the What Now podcast when they had Ta-Nehisi Coates on and really enjoyed it. I remembered Trevor Noah as fairly reasonable, and the comments were excited about this Galloway guy, so I thought it would be interesting. Instead he was either spouting complete nonsense or paternalistically talking down to the female host (who had far superior takes to him). He came across exactly like a man who people listen to because he sounds snarky and intelligent, regardless of what he's actually saying. And everyone was saying how amazing he is? I thought I'd entered the twilight zone.

13. I think this Galloway fellow simply doesn't understand what words mean. It seems clear to me that he meant "incels," i.e., men who want to have sex but are not, rather than "asexuals," i.e., people who experience little or no sexual attraction. But this also seems to be yet another academic thinking that he's an expert on everything just because he's an expert on something. Since his specialty is marketing, I would assume that he does know something about human psychology and social behavior, but he also learned these things for a specific purpose: how to use them to manipulate people to buy things. I don't think this makes him particularly well-equipped to comment with authority on solutions to large societal problems, such as the loneliness epidemic.

    It is also possible that it's not just a lack of understanding of the word "asexual," but the pervasive belief that asexuality is not real, so he has co-opted the term for his own purposes to the potential detriment of the ace community.

    I would just like to know whether anyone has gently corrected him on his use of the term "asexual" to his face, so I can figure out whether it is a deliberate choice or pure ignorance.

14. It’s all so heteronormative. I’m an ace woman who’s happily in a relationship with another ace woman, and we don’t want kids.

15. I think not only is the comment "celibate males are the most dangerous people on earth" acephobic and sexist but also i think it seems quite ableist aswell. I think there would be a population of men that are in the classical definition of incel but they don't hate/perpetuate harmful images of women but have trouble with communicating intimacy whether because of neurological disorders such as asd or have had previously traumatic experiences. Sex is not an indicator of morality!!!

16. I am disabled, a school teacher, and my social circle and friends are extremely precious to me. Living with disability showed me how precious friends can be. I wish I had someone, but I can't, and it is unpleasant and occasionally sad, but having a social circle of other men and women just dealing with life and being open about not being perfect helps me a lot. Having a woman in my life will probably help, but as things are, my friends are a godsend.

17. "What's wrong with society is that men are discouraged from getting drunk at bars with women present and it's preventing childbirth."

    I bet this guy is also against abortion for rape victims. After all, the Baby Production Devices should not be able to decline to produce babies, then they have no purpose!

18. You can't just leave me off on that reference to Eye Cis at the end of the podcast and barely elaborate.

19. Meanwhile, I met my now husband on an online forum doing Deal or No Deal text commentary, and my biggest "bettering of myself" I've consciously tried to do was for more postiive feedback on my pokemon fanfiction when I was about 15, rather than anything relating to sex. Meanwhile I have never made… The sort of mistakes he's talking about… when drunk – I mostly use alcohol to survive in as a relatively low cost, socially acceptable, means of dampening my senses, rather than as a social lubricant. And my mistakes have tended to be 'not recognizing how drunk I am and winding up vomiting' (Not for a very long time) or 'I'll walk the 5 miles home at 2am rather than calling a cab' (Although I was making that sort of mistake sober as well at the time)

    When I'm in pubs I generally stick talking to the people I went into them with, not bothering random people; it's conventions and board game nights that I'm flying solo in where I'll introduce myself to people who are there to do the same sort of thing I'm there to do since there's less chance they'll be bothered by me doing that since they're there to talk about anime, or play Castles of Burgundy, or whatever, too, and I'll do that sober, because I have to in order to do the thing I went ot that place to do. Otherwise I'll be sat there doing nothing all evening and I can do that at home (or a million things I can do at home that are harder to do when surrounded by people talking about anime or playing board games)

    (Which I'm saying just because of how… Unrelatable… I find everything in his philosophy, as someone who until relatively recently would have described myself as a man. My motivation when I'm existing in public spaces has had a component of "try and stay out of other people's way" for as long as I remember, in part because I want other people to try and stay out of my way when possible as well.)

20. I was about to say this almost feels like a sequel to your low birth rate/pro-natalist episode, and then you got to the section of an article by this guy where he talked about low birth rates. Sometimes I hate being right

21. 46:02 I get that the 1 in 4 women experiencing sexual violence statistic does not imply that 1 in 4 men perpetrate sexual violence, but. Come on. My guy. R*peapolgia comes in many forms.

22. I can't stop thinking about how all this rhetoric of "men need sex for xyz reason" is just handing a playbook to the types of people who coerce others into sex. It's just a rebranding of blue balls

23. I feel like the concept of a high value male is misandrist. Self improvement can help anyone to have more dating options but all humans are valuable.

24. I think people are just afraid that aces aren't distracted by sex so they can't predict the behavior as easily. Imagine sending a honey trap to an ace male politician for example. It won't work.

25. He sounds like an incel in all but name

26. It sounds like an incel trying to shift the blame for their shitty behaviors to aces and hoping people don’t know enough to catch him and call him out on it.

27. Oh good gods, the original line was bad enough, but hearing more about the people involved filled me with horror.

    Like, YIKES!

28. This guy sounds like a jock bully trying to explain that BEING a jock bully is ideal and good for society.

29. The 'girls grow up faster' thing being based on brains is insane. The only 'legitimate' biological excuse is that female puberty typically begins a year or so sooner on average, but that's because the process is a much slower, more resource-intensive process, so it starts sooner to make sure people going through male puberty aren't way ahead of their peers after a few months. And we've observed that puberty initiating, if anything, causes a brief period of mental regression, since it saps so much energy and introduces so many new, difficult to adjust to changes to someone's body and emotions! ESPECIALLY when it comes with cyclical bleeding that sheds a bunch of hard-earned and stored resources and can cause things like anemia. Not to mention the general panic that a lot of people experience when they realize their body is developing into a type of body that is commodified and reviled in the way bodies with female reproductive systems and secondary sex characteristics often are. Even cis women and girls often report panic and distress at many of the changes that puberty brings! That's not a recipe for being 'more mature', it's a recipe for being very stressed, and possibly learning very well how to PERFORM 'maturity'.

30. Ugh, this Trever is definetly the "where my hug at" guy

31. I would absolutely love an episode where you guys talk about the sex positivity movement because I have an extremely contentious relationship with it. I'm totally cool with the sex ed biological understanding side of it, and every time they actually start to talk about consent I get so skeeved out with the way they do it. And I think it's what you mentioned briefly here in that it never even approaches the concept that the person you're looking for consent from could be completely uninterested in sex. And that is not fully talking about consent on a whole.

32. also, as a person who hates the taste of alcohol and is ace, I think I'm causing all the problems. I'm not a guy, though, so this guy may have never thought about my existence

33. This guy: in my ideal world, men would be in more relationships
    the co-host: well, what if they just had friends?
    Him: we're talking about real things

34. I think the point was young men with purpose or direction can release their frustrations in destructive ways. Also please be mindful of we need to teach boys to be better it smacks of original sin and the ideas that boys are defective girls even if that was not your intention.

35. Ace men are the most dangerous people in the world??? 😂 I think scott was talking about angry incels. Ace men arent that worried about getting sex. Maybe ace men are dangerous to capitalism indeed! 😂 They probably aren't going to bars and clubs and drinking as much or buying presents for girlfriends they want to impress or fancy cars!

36. Anytime the "male loneliness crisis" comes up and the overarching talked about solution isn't "we need to tackle capitalism and the patriarchy and socialise men to have emotional, fulfilling connections to other men and we absolutely cannot expect women to come in and please do the emotional labor, men have to do that themselves" I honestly tap out.
    This guy sounds very grating and it's a huge disappointment he's apparently seen as a progressive voice on this topic and that they just let that asexual men comment fly. But I live for you taking apart all his terrible talking points.

37. Another shitshow.

38. This just seems to be like a repackaging of the crappy old idea that being ace makes you some sort of sociopath. Allo people find the concept of asexuality so disturbing that they just can't imagine ace people are normal people living normal lives with normal interests and motivations. Like…we sit on the couch and fold clothes after work just like the rest of the world.

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